Hmm.. the third book down(after the Bible) is the Creator book, with the photo of the Eagle Nebula
This is one of the most nit-pickiest threads ever. SF you have way too much time on your hands...
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What is THIS that is stated on official WTBTS site...
by sf inhttp://www.watchtower.org/publications/publications_available.htm.
scrolling down to bottom:.
jehovah's witnesses provide personal and group instruction in the bible at no charge.
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"No Apologies is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"
by No Apologies insometimes i just don't know when to keep my big mouth shut.
today i think finally said enough to get da'd.. for those of you just tuning in, a recap: about 2-3 years i came to realize everything i had been taught as a jw was a load of steaming turds.
since then i have managed to fade away more or less, without incident.
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Wouldn't that be a fartwa???
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"No Apologies is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"
by No Apologies insometimes i just don't know when to keep my big mouth shut.
today i think finally said enough to get da'd.. for those of you just tuning in, a recap: about 2-3 years i came to realize everything i had been taught as a jw was a load of steaming turds.
since then i have managed to fade away more or less, without incident.
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Thanks for all the replies and well wishes guys and gals!
To some of you that commented that I should have told the guy to remove himself from my property, I would have been happy to do that, since technically I am still an owner. But I have been advised by my attorney and others that since I have been living elsewhere for over a year, my rights are somewhat... vague. My lawyer has also advised me that as long as the divorce is in progress, I need to be very very careful what I do and say.
As I said, as soon as I got there on Saturday and saw him there, I should have left. I would have been totally within my rights to refuse to go along with an arrangement that my wife had changed without telling me.
I will be talking to my lawyer today, hopefully I can get through to her the potential harm that my wife has inflicted on me by her deception.
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"No Apologies is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"
by No Apologies insometimes i just don't know when to keep my big mouth shut.
today i think finally said enough to get da'd.. for those of you just tuning in, a recap: about 2-3 years i came to realize everything i had been taught as a jw was a load of steaming turds.
since then i have managed to fade away more or less, without incident.
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Sometimes I just don't know when to keep my big mouth shut. Today I think finally said enough to get DA'd.
For those of you just tuning in, a recap: about 2-3 years I came to realize everything I had been taught as a JW was a load of steaming turds. Since then I have managed to fade away more or less, without incident. At the same time I realized I needed to get out of a dead marriage, especially when my wife made it clear she had no intention of leaving the Borg.
So, our divorce is progressing, we had aranged for me to come and get the rest of my stuff out of the house Saturday. We had also agreed that we would have a 3rd party present in case there was any kind of disagreement, a JW neighbor from down the street. I called Friday to confirm the arrangements, everything was still a go. However when I got to the house, instead of the neighbor there was a husband and wife present instead. No explanation from my as to why the change in plan. If I had been smart, I would have left then and there, since my wife had obviously changed our agreement without telling me.
Instead I stayed, starting packing things up. All of a sudden this guy starts telling me how we should proceed. After the second incident, I told him he needed to back off. So then he goes and stands in the corner and just watches.
Well I had to leave, and we agreed that I would stop by today to pick up the van we had loaded up, and also finish packing up the rest of my belongings. I show up at the agreed-upon time, shortly thereafter, (surprise!) this couple shows up again, this time of course in their meeting clothes. I am packing all my Watchtower-related literature, so rude guy asks me why I would want the literature. I told him , its my stuff, I want it. Of course he persisted, now revealing that he is an elder, and he is curious about whether I still considered myself a dub.
Now, I knew this was coming, I knew where he was heading, but stupidly I continued the conversation. He kept trying to pin me down on whether I was still a witness, and I kept telling him I wasn't going to answer any of his questions. It was pretty funny, one of his first comments was that he could see my attitude, since I had a beard!!! When I went to leave, I asked for his name, which he had told me yesterday. He said his name was Eric, I asked his last name, he wouldn't tell me.
So basically some guy I don't even know, won't give me his name, was able with the help of my wife, to confront me in what was my house and ask me a lot of personal questions about my life and my marriage, making it fairly clear that this was my last chance to get back in good with Jehovah. I fully expect to hear back that based on our conversation, I no longer consider myself one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and that the announcement will be made.
So again, the lesson here, never trust a JW, even a marriage mate. Never allow yourself to get cornered by an elder, and if you do, keep your mouth shut.
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Phinehas executed a man for getting married...
by OldSoul init just dawned on me: the way an israelite got married was by taking a woman into his home/tent.
when zimri did that with a midianitess, he was killed by phinehas for it.
where was the standard set forth that they could not marry midianite women on pain of death?
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I wonder what the Midianite women had that Israelite women didn't have?
A willing spirit?ROFL!!! nice one OldSoul! No Apologies
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Watchtower deception about JW divorce rates.
by jwfacts inthere was a statement in a 1997 awake that i see people quoting on the internet that is trying to imply 4.9% of jws are divorced compared to half of worldly people.
i have found some statistics that prove that this is quite a deception.
awake 1997 september 8 p.11 a people taught to love.
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I think most JWs nowadays realize that divorce rates are really not that much lower for dubs than for society overall. I have even heard speakers at assemblys acknowledging that divorce rates among JWs are rising.
JStalin, JWs are not DFd for getting a divorce. They are DF'd if they commit fornication(which will likely result in a divorce at the same time) or if they divorce and then remarry without having scriptural grounds for the divorce.
IMHO, JWs attitude towards separation and divorce have loosened up considerably over the last decade or so. They are much less self-righteous about having better marriage rates than worldly people, and divorce, while still not overly condoned, doesn't carry quite the stigma it once did among them.
I heard a sad story a while back from my wife. She ran into an old pioneer partner. Apparently this sister's elder husband was unhappy and wanted a divorce. She agreed to the divorce, but since he was afraid of losing his precious position, he asked her to be the one to actually file for divorce. So she does, they get the divorce. No one is DF'd, he is still an elder, but since she filed, she is now under 'restrictions' - permanently. They are both still active dubs, both unmarried, he continues to be an elder, every couple years he writes her to ask if he is free to remarry( the answer of course, no).
How screwed up is that?? First of all, how can someone be on restrictions "permanently"? Its not like she can "repent" and un-divorce him. And of course the idea that she takes the fall when he is the one that wanted out in the first place is boggling, along with the fact that she accepts this and continues to be a brain-dead dub.
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How do you defend your god's inaction?
by AlmostAtheist inthis is a question for those that believe in a god or gods, particularly those described as "all knowing" or "almighty".. how do you defend to yourself that your god has not in any modern situation saved his people from anything?.
people of all faiths are regularly killed by various natural elements.
of course, if you knew such a thing was going to befall a person and you could do something to protect them, you would.
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Oldsoul, you make some good points, but let me reply to a couple of your statements:
Just because someone can do something, doesn't mean it should be done.
Right, but we are talking about saving lives here. And its not a case of, person A can be saved, but only if person B is killed or allowed to die. I would say in any case where a person is able to take direct action to save a another human life, without endangering any other person's life, and where there is no way the person in danger can save themself, then for the first person not to act is wrong. If I saw someone unwittingly about to walk off a cliff, and I simply stood by and watched, how can I not feel guilty?
Do you know what the eventual harm/benefit ratio to the species would have been if there was no earthquake and tsunami? Then on what do you base the valuation system of Good and Bad (morality) if you don't know what the eventual results of action/inaction will be?
So then doctors should never operate on someone without first determining what possible harm this person might cause if the doctor.
We're talking about a supposed omnipotent being here; if he knows what the eventual results are, then he also will know a way to avoid any possible negative consequences. If he is not that all-knowing, then just like the rest of, you ignore what might happen, you act now to save the life, as long as it does not directly harm someone else.
I hope this helps you to grasp a bit more my relating that God's moral judgment may not match moral judgment among humans, because it is derived from an entirely different perspective.
Again, if you are saying his moral standards are so different from man, who is supposedly made in His image, then the whole conversation is moot. I certainly have no interest in worshipping someone whose standards are that incomprehensible. Well, I probably wouldn't be interested in worshipping him even if I could figure out his standards.
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Famous JW SCOTUS Plaintiff Eventually Became Ex-JW
by West70 inover the past several weeks i believe there have been 2 or 3 topics on "famous jws" or "jws with bios published by the wbts" who eventually departed the organization.
if one of those folks are reading, i apologize in advance that i cannot remember your name, or that i may not recall your personal info absolutely correct.
but george maynard's case did after he covered up the state of new hampshire's "live free or die" motto on his vehicles's plates.
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I remember hearing about this guy back when I was still a loyal dub. I thought he sounded a little wacky.
Now, after reading the above, there is no doubt in my mind that he is a goofball.
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Rectum circles who park in handicap parking
by buffalosrfree ini just went to the store a few hours ago, some store but does have 4 places for handicap people to park in, well of course when i get there four assholes young people were parked in all four places, and when i had to walk by the them gave them a good piece of my mind.
and they of course got mad (4 guys waiting on their bitches i guess) and told me to "f" myself, when another older man hollered at them they of course told him the same thing, and then a store employee was out there gathering carts and he told them to leave the handicap parking they told him the same thing.
well upon exiting the store there was a local policeman who had driven up (that upholds my belief in god) and was giving all four of the assholes a ticket for parkintg in handicap parking, i made sure i told him about how they acted and what they told me.
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Ever tried going through a parking lot with 3 kids? Who refuse to stay with you and you don't have enough hands to keep them out of the traffic?
The first time they get run over, they will stop running out in front of cars.
Seriously, this could happen no matter where you park in the parking lot. And who has three kids that young? Either teach your kids how to behave out in public or leave them home.
Ever driven through a parking lot where little kids appear out of nowhere right in front of your car?
No, but I know enough to slow down when I see people up ahead.
Having parking for moms with these little kids is simply a safety issue. I'd rather roll in my wheelchair than drive over a kid
Again, they could get hit anywhere. Its not a safety issue, its pandering to parents. Gotta keep those consumers and their consumer kids happy.
Heck, when I was a kid, we got left in the car while mom and dad went in to get the groceries. Course that was the good old days. We didnt have seat belts, never heard of car seats for kids. Its a wonder we survived.
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How do you defend your god's inaction?
by AlmostAtheist inthis is a question for those that believe in a god or gods, particularly those described as "all knowing" or "almighty".. how do you defend to yourself that your god has not in any modern situation saved his people from anything?.
people of all faiths are regularly killed by various natural elements.
of course, if you knew such a thing was going to befall a person and you could do something to protect them, you would.
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Ok I have read 4 pages and I most interested in LT's answer to this question, since I have been trying to figure out his 'take' on religion for quite a while now..
Dude, why do you keep ducking and dodging what is a very simple question. Let's narrow it down: an earthquake just killed over 20,000 people in Pakistan this week. Do you believe that a deity exists that has the power to prevent a tragedy like this? If so, why didn't he?????
If the answer is "well he could, but he does what he wants and we are far too puny to begin to understand his ways," then my next question is, what the hell good is a god like this???? If he has the ability to save human lives from needless death, and yet he chooses/is unable to/is too busy/just doesnt give a rip/ not to do so, then what does believing in him accomplish?
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